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Romain Gudet

Lyon AMHE● · France
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Weapons & Rank/ratings
Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword
Current
1596 #352
Peak
1621 October 2025
Record
58W · 32L · 4D
Last
May 2026
Mixed & Men's Steel Single Sidesword
Current
1318 #227
Peak
1322 May 2026
Record
16W · 21L
Last
May 2026
Mixed & Men's Steel Sword and Buckler
Inactive
Current
1102
Peak
1127 March 2024
Record
2W · 8L · 2D
Last
March 2024

Scout analysis

Longsword

58W · 32L · 4D (62%)
Form
Rising
Recent 68% vs older 55%
▾
Record: 58W · 32L · 4D (62%)
Recent half (47 fights): 68%
Older half (47 fights): 55%
Delta: +13%
Current streak: 1 Win
Based on 94 recorded longsword fights.
Schedule
Punching up
+4.3 vs expectation
▾
Quality wins (won as clear underdog): 9
Upset losses (lost as clear favourite): 4
Over/under vs expectation: +4.3 (38 actual / 33.7 expected, n=68)
Expectation stats compare each result with the win chance implied by both fighters' ratings in that division.
Style
Fast starter
11 exchange-coded matches
▾
Exchanges per point: 0.91
Avg exchanges / match: 9.7
Doubles / match: 0.09
First scorer rate: 73%
Dominant wins (shut-out): 25%
Comeback wins (was behind): 50%
Stage
Balanced
Pool 64% · Elim 54%
▾
Pool stage: 35W · 20L (64%)
Elimination: 7W · 6L (54%)
Stage tagging depends on upstream division labels - some fights may be uncategorised.
Peak
25 pts off peak
Currently below peak
▾
Current rating: 1596
Peak rating: 1621 (October 2025)
Gap to peak: -25
Peak rating comes from the highest Glicko value recorded for this weapon.
By division
Mixed Steel Longsword 53W · 31L · 4D (60%) +3.6 vs expectation (n=62) avg opponent 1394
+6 fights in 1 thinner division

Sidesword

16W · 21L (43%)
Form
Rising
Recent 50% vs older 39%
▾
Record: 16W · 21L (43%)
Recent half (18 fights): 50%
Older half (18 fights): 39%
Delta: +11%
Current streak: 5 Wins
Based on 37 recorded sidesword fights.
Schedule
Punching up
+1.4 vs expectation
▾
Quality wins (won as clear underdog): 2
Over/under vs expectation: +1.4 (9 actual / 7.6 expected, n=20)
Expectation stats compare each result with the win chance implied by both fighters' ratings in that division.
Style
Building signal
Needs more exchange data
▾
Style signal needs per-exchange match data. Once enough of this fighter's exchanges are recorded, this card will sharpen into scoring tempo, doubles rate, comeback wins, early vs late scoring, and more.
Stage
Knockout killer
Pool 35% · Elim 57%
▾
Pool stage: 8W · 15L (35%)
Elimination: 4W · 3L (57%)
Stage tagging depends on upstream division labels - some fights may be uncategorised.
Peak
At peak
Near career best
▾
Current rating: 1318
Peak rating: 1322 (May 2026)
Gap to peak: -3
Peak rating comes from the highest Glicko value recorded for this weapon.
By division
Mixed Steel Single Sidesword 10W · 18L (36%) -0.2 vs expectation (n=12) avg opponent 1317
Mixed Steel Single Sidesword (Adult Open) 6W · 3L (67%) +1.5 vs expectation (n=8) avg opponent 1197

Sword & Buckler

2W · 8L · 2D (17%)
Form
Cooling
Recent 0% vs older 33%
▾
Record: 2W · 8L · 2D (17%)
Recent half (6 fights): 0%
Older half (6 fights): 33%
Delta: -33%
Current streak: 6 Losses
Based on 12 recorded sword & buckler fights.
Schedule
Comfort bracket
-2.3 vs expectation
▾
Over/under vs expectation: -2.3 (0 actual / 2.3 expected, n=6)
Expectation stats compare each result with the win chance implied by both fighters' ratings in that division.
Style
Building signal
Needs more exchange data
▾
Style signal needs per-exchange match data. Once enough of this fighter's exchanges are recorded, this card will sharpen into scoring tempo, doubles rate, comeback wins, early vs late scoring, and more.
Stage
Pool data only
Pool 14%
▾
Pool stage: 1W · 6L (14%)
Elimination: needs 3+ coded fights.
Stage tagging depends on upstream division labels - some fights may be uncategorised.
Peak
25 pts off peak
Currently below peak
▾
Current rating: 1102
Peak rating: 1127 (March 2024)
Gap to peak: -25
Peak rating comes from the highest Glicko value recorded for this weapon.
Reach
14 events · 4 countries · 4.7 yrs active
3 rated weapons
▾
Tournaments: 14
Countries fought in: 4 (ch, fr, be, ie)
Months active: 56
Fights / year: 30.6
Rated weapons: 3

Clubmates · Lyon AMHE● (22)

Events & fights (14)

Tournoi FFAMHE - La Bravade 2026●
May 2026 · fr
15 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 343 ▲29 · 1,601.6
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Single Sidesword Rank 238 ▲115 · 1,322.1
WIN
Chelius Amaury● · École Chevaleresque● Longsword · Pools
951 89%
WIN
Vivien Joie● Longsword · Pools
810 92%
WIN
Maël Dubourgnon● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Pools Score 8-2 Review →
1321 73%
WIN
Leopold Delvoix● · Cercle d'Armes du Dauphiné● Longsword · Pools Score 4-1 Review →
1274 59%
LOSS
Matthieu Pelissier● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Top 16 Score 3-4 Review →
1557 49%
WIN
Damien Richard● · PEAMHE● Longsword · Top 32 Score 9-1 Review →
1139 66%
LOSS
Anthony Garnier● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Gold Medal Match
1483 25%
WIN
Yane Li Ah Chong● · Compagnie Excallibur Yvellines● Sidesword · Pools
1142 46%
LOSS
Damase Michaud● · Lugdunenses● Sidesword · Pools
950 57%
LOSS
Gabriel Riou● · La Salle d'Armes Escrime Ancienne● Sidesword · Pools
1704 12%
WIN
Brad Lee Jones● · AMHE Apicula Carcassona● Sidesword · Pools
WIN
Romain Gaborieau● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Pools
806 66%
WIN
Valentin Chabrier● Sidesword · Semifinals
1089 45%
WIN
Charlie Rames● · École Chevaleresque● Sidesword · Top 16
1208 40%
WIN
Charles Biron● · Compagnie Excallibur Yvellines● Sidesword · Top 8
1187 54%
Fosse aux Lions 2026●
April 2026 · fr
6 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 370 ▼82 · 1,590.2
WIN
Damien Camors● · Cercle d'Armes du Dauphiné● Longsword · Pools Score 8-0 Review →
1081 71%
WIN
Vivien Joie● Longsword · Pools
823 87%
WIN
Yane Li Ah Chong● · Compagnie Excallibur Yvellines● Longsword · Pools Score 7-2 Review →
1231 92%
LOSS
Adrien Péchadre● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Pools Score 5-6 Review →
1366 73%
DRAW
Denis Allaume● · Les Lames du Foyer● Longsword · Pools Score 6-6 Review →
1462 75%
LOSS
Denis Allaume● · Les Lames du Foyer● Longsword · Top 32 Score 6-6 Review →
1462 75%
La Sainte Victoire 2025●
October 2025 · fr
9 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 254 ▲116 · 1,621.8
WIN
Anthony Garnier● · Lyon AMHE● Longsword · Gold Medal Match
1483 57%
WIN
Alexandre Salvetti● · Frères d'AMHE● Longsword · Pools Score 8-3 Review →
1340 66%
LOSS
François Bois● · Ost du Griffon Noir● Longsword · Pools
1635 38%
WIN
Eric Lemaresquier● · Ecole d'Escrime Médiévale L'Âme Impetueuse● Longsword · Pools
1080 85%
WIN
Pablo Alvarez● · Les Guerriers du Lendemain● Longsword · Pools Score 10-1 Review →
WIN
François Bois● · Ost du Griffon Noir● Longsword · Semifinals
1635 38%
WIN
Eric Lemaresquier● · Ecole d'Escrime Médiévale L'Âme Impetueuse● Longsword · Top 16
1080 85%
WIN
Aleksandr Ermolov● · Lyon AMHE● Longsword · Top 32 Score 5-4 Review →
1602 46%
WIN
Le Moing Zacharie● · Ost du Griffon Noir● Longsword · Top 8
1529 49%
Fosse aux Lions 2025●
April 2025 · fr
10 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 321 ▲160 · 1,576.2
LOSS
Gauthier Dietschi● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Bronze Medal Match Score 3-9 Review →
1460 45%
WIN
Damien Richard● · PEAMHE● Longsword · Pools Score 6-2 Review →
DRAW
Theophile Przybylak● · Lyon AMHE● Longsword · Pools
1607 32%
WIN
Adrien Plantade● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Pools Score 10-0 Review →
WIN
Aymeric Figuet● · Compagnie d'Armes de Lyon● Longsword · Pools Score 9-1 · 1 double Review →
WIN
Gabriel Riou● · La Salle d'Armes Escrime Ancienne● Longsword · Pools Score 4-3 Review →
1771 16%
LOSS
Gabriel Riou● · La Salle d'Armes Escrime Ancienne● Longsword · Semifinals Score 4-3 Review →
1771 16%
WIN
Fabien Goury● · Compagnie d'Armes de Lyon● Longsword · Top 16 Score 9-6 Review →
1574 40%
WIN
Kevin Moret-Abedi● · Compagnie Excallibur Yvellines● Longsword · Top 32 Score 9-0 Review →
1500 47%
WIN
Emmanuel Maitrehenry● · Lyon AMHE● Longsword · Top 8 Score 7-1 Review →
1497 50%
Montpellier Hema Tournament 2025●
March 2025 · fr
7 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 481 ▼42 · 1,513.6
LOSS
Vincent Torres● Longsword · Pools Score 2-3 Review →
1069 67%
WIN
Damase Michaud● · Lugdunenses● Longsword · Pools Score 11-2 Review →
998 79%
WIN
Biras Jean-françois● · Perigüers Estocada● Longsword · Pools
1263 70%
LOSS
Vincent Poiré● · Frères d'AMHE● Longsword · Pools
1543 40%
WIN
Paul Lecompte● · BEC Escrime● Longsword · Pools Score 10-2 Review →
1257 79%
LOSS
Gabriel Tardio● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Top 32 Score 5-6 Review →
1615 36%
WIN
Eric Lemaresquier● · Ecole d'Escrime Médiévale L'Âme Impetueuse● Longsword · Top 64
1120 72%
La Sainte Victoire 2024●
November 2024 · fr
No match-level data
6 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 413 ▼14 · 1,523.9
WIN
Fabien Chartton● · Les Guerriers du Lendemain● Longsword · 16th
1428 49%
LOSS
Thomas Pelosse● · Compagnie d'Armes de Lyon● Longsword · 8th
1502 51%
LOSS
Federico Dall'Olio● · La Salle d'Armes● Longsword · pool 1
1807 16%
WIN
Juliette Vajas● · La Salle d'Armes Escrime Ancienne● Longsword · pool 1
WIN
Mathieu Laude● · Ecole d'Escrime Médiévale L'Âme Impetueuse● Longsword · pool 1
LOSS
Matthieu Dutheil● · École Chevaleresque● Longsword · pool 1
1298 63%
Clash Of The Towers 2024●
October 2024 · ie
7 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 399 ▲294 · 1,523.5
WIN
Andrzej Rozycki● · Blademasters Academy● Longsword · Bronze Medal Match Score 21-2 Review →
1552 39%
WIN
Jacob Burke● · Noble Science Academy● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 12-10 Review →
1562 34%
WIN
James Welfare● · The Wrathful Peasants● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 11-7 Review →
1280 73%
WIN
Alex Mc Gilloway● · Dublin HEMA Club● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 22-0 Review →
WIN
Froilan Regueiro Noguera● · Historical Combat Academy● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 24-3 Review →
WIN
Jacob Burke● · Noble Science Academy● Longsword · Quarterfinals Score 12-10 Review →
1562 34%
LOSS
Colin Miraglio● · Blademasters Academy● Longsword · Semifinals Score 2-5 Review →
1627 29%
Mortslag 2024●
September 2024 · be
7 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 693 ▲331 · 1,442.3
WIN
Antoine Goldschmidt● · Recherche et Expérimentation du Geste Historique et Technique● Longsword · Eighth-Finals
862 72%
WIN
Anna Zsófia Csűry● · Sumus Soldani● Longsword · Elimination Bracket
WIN
Anna Zsófia Csűry● · Sumus Soldani● Longsword · Longsword Open 1
WIN
Bjarne van Os● · Arte Mortiferum● Longsword · Longsword Open 1
1234 60%
WIN
Bart Jongsma● · Historisch Vrijvechten Nederland● Longsword · Longsword Open 1
1653 20%
WIN
Bram Vandenbussche● · De Hallebardiers● Longsword · Longsword Open 1
702 75%
LOSS
Maarten van der Auwera● · Sumus Soldani● Longsword · Quarterfinals
1769 12%
Montpellier Hema Tournament 2024●
March 2024 · fr
No match-level data
20 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 1328 ▲271 · 1,281.0
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Sword and Buckler Rank 586 ▲2 · 1,127.6
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Single Sidesword Rank 307 ▲46 · 1,175.1
WIN
Geoffroy Sainte-Catherine● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · 1/16
1067 59%
LOSS
Emmanuel Maitrehenry● · Lyon AMHE● Longsword · 1/8
1337 36%
WIN
Biras Jean-françois● · Perigüers Estocada● Longsword · Pool 2
LOSS
Adrien Ala● · Frères d'AMHE● Longsword · Pool 2
1475 29%
WIN
Joris Dufayard● · Les Indépendants Réunis● Longsword · Pool 2
1193 54%
LOSS
Egon Beyrens● · SwArta● Longsword · Pool 2
1699 13%
WIN
Victor Moulard● · École Chevaleresque● Sidesword · 1/16
1109 46%
LOSS
Théo Fovet● · École Chevaleresque● Sidesword · 1/4
1388 32%
WIN
Colin Miraglio● · Blademasters Academy● Sidesword · 1/8
1269 38%
LOSS
Anthony Garnier● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Pool 4
1027 48%
LOSS
Roman Vítek● · Major Militia Modena● Sidesword · Pool 4
1663 16%
LOSS
François Bois● · Ost du Griffon Noir● Sidesword · Pool 4
1586 19%
LOSS
Egon Beyrens● · SwArta● Sidesword · Pool 4
1382 32%
LOSS
Emeric Bazalgette● · École Chevaleresque● Sidesword · Pool 4
1150 46%
LOSS
Aron Kazay● · London Historical Fencing Club● Sword & Buckler · 1/8
1420 32%
LOSS
Aron Kazay● · London Historical Fencing Club● Sword & Buckler · Pool 3
1420 32%
LOSS
Gilles Carriere● · École Chevaleresque● Sword & Buckler · Pool 3
1551 27%
DRAW
Gabriel Tardio● · De Feu et d'Acier● Sword & Buckler · Pool 3
1318 42%
LOSS
Emmanuel Maitrehenry● · Lyon AMHE● Sword & Buckler · Pool 3
1159 45%
DRAW
Joris Dufayard● · Les Indépendants Réunis● Sword & Buckler · Pool 3
1157 54%
Fosse aux Lions 2024●
April 2024 · fr
13 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 906 ▲422 · 1,369.6
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Single Sidesword Rank 256 ▲51 · 1,237.8
WIN
Emmanuel Benoit● · Cercle d'Arts Martiaux Historiques Européens de Metz● Longsword · !! Attention !! Excluded From Scoring Calculations Pool Set 1 Score 9-2 Review →
WIN
Olivier Rossi● · Frères d'AMHE● Longsword · Eighth-Finals Score 5-2 Review →
WIN
Gabriel Tardio● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Elimination Bracket Score 7-6 Review →
1557 23%
LOSS
Theophile Przybylak● · Lyon AMHE● Longsword · Pool Set 1
1554 22%
WIN
Nam Merlin● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 10-0 Review →
1049 55%
WIN
Etienne Fustier● · Compagnie d'Armes de Lyon● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 10-2 Review →
LOSS
Theophile Przybylak● · Lyon AMHE● Longsword · Quarterfinals
1554 22%
WIN
Maxime Deman● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Eighth-Finals Score 7-6 Review →
1120 46%
LOSS
Thomas Pelosse● · Compagnie d'Armes de Lyon● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 3-4 Review →
1392 29%
LOSS
Adrien Ala● · Frères d'AMHE● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 2-4 Review →
WIN
Jean-Albert Rubod● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 3-1 Review →
1150 45%
WIN
Valentin Rossi● · Frères d'AMHE● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 4-0 Review →
LOSS
Theophile Przybylak● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Quarterfinals
1532 19%
Swiss Bears Cup 2023●
October 2023 · ch
5 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 1444 ▲215 · 1,232.8
LOSS
Miro Lahtela● · EHMS● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 3-10 Review →
1904 6%
WIN
Simon Favre● · École Lémanique d'Arts et d'Actions● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 8-2 Review →
1257 39%
LOSS
Robin Pittoors● · Arte Mortiferum● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 5-8 Review →
1173 41%
WIN
Luca Amgarten● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 10-1 Review →
LOSS
Gerhard Reich● · INDES Linz● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 4-9 Review →
1391 37%
Montpellier Hema Tournament 12●
March 2023 · fr
No match-level data
19 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 1324 ▲821 · 1,190.4
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Sword and Buckler Rank 410 · 1,112.3
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Single Sidesword Rank 153 · 1,140.3
LOSS
Thomas Pelosse● · Compagnie d'Armes de Lyon● Longsword · 1/16 FINAL
1208 41%
WIN
Antoine Menuge● · Passe d'Armes Savoie● Longsword · 1/32 FINAL
WIN
Geoffroy Sainte-Catherine● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · POOL 4
WIN
Nicolas Wöhrel● · SAEA Aveyron● Longsword · POOL 4
LOSS
François Bois● · Ost du Griffon Noir● Longsword · POOL 4
1243 38%
DRAW
Ion Arocena● · Sala Esgrima Antigua Ignota● Longsword · POOL 4
LOSS
Joris Jacobs● · Arte Mortiferum● Longsword · POOL 4
1732 19%
LOSS
Gilles Carriere● · École Chevaleresque● Sidesword · 1/16 FINAL
1680
LOSS
Colin Miraglio● · Blademasters Academy● Sidesword · POOL 3
LOSS
Théo Fovet● · École Chevaleresque● Sidesword · POOL 3
1251
LOSS
Vincent Delille● · École Chevaleresque● Sidesword · POOL 3
LOSS
Yihang Mung● · Ausardia● Sidesword · POOL 3
1222
LOSS
Egon Beyrens● · SwArta● Sidesword · POOL 3
WIN
Cristian Milà Martinez● · Club Esgrima Maresme● Sword & Buckler · 1/16 FINAL
LOSS
Roman Vítek● · Major Militia Modena● Sword & Buckler · 1/8 FINAL
1454
LOSS
Dorian Canham● · De Feu et d'Acier● Sword & Buckler · POOL 2
1566
WIN
Ion Arocena● · Sala Esgrima Antigua Ignota● Sword & Buckler · POOL 2
LOSS
Gaël Marais● · École Chevaleresque● Sword & Buckler · POOL 2
1493
LOSS
Yihang Mung● · Ausardia● Sword & Buckler · POOL 2
1339
Fosse Aux Lions 2023●
March 2023 · fr
14 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 1324 ▲821 · 1,190.4
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Single Sidesword Rank 153 · 1,140.3
LOSS
Adrien Ala● · Frères d'AMHE● Longsword · Elimination Bracket
1354 38%
WIN
Vincent Catanese● · Unité Sportive Avonnaise Escrime● Longsword · Pool Set 1
1216 46%
LOSS
Mathieu Croze● · De Feu et d'Acier● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 5-9 Review →
1082 50%
LOSS
Léo Valque● · AMHE Nancy - Neuves Maisons● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 2-3 Review →
LOSS
Gabriel Riou● · La Salle d'Armes Escrime Ancienne● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 3-10 Review →
1599 23%
WIN
Jordan Garnier● · Compagnie d'Armes de Lyon● Longsword · Pool Set 1 Score 10-1 Review →
LOSS
Dorian Canham● · De Feu et d'Acier● Sidesword · Bronze Medal Match Score 0-5 Review →
1555
WIN
Mathieu Croze● · De Feu et d'Acier● Sidesword · Eighth-Finals Score 5-9 Review →
762
LOSS
Alessandro Contu● · La Salle d'Armes● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 2-3 Review →
1464
WIN
Paul Pelosse● · Cercle d’Escrime du Lac d’Annecy● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 9-2 Review →
WIN
Jean-Albert Rubod● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 3-1 Review →
WIN
Nam Merlin● · De Feu et d'Acier● Sidesword · Pool Set 1 Score 6-0 Review →
WIN
Paul Pelosse● · Cercle d’Escrime du Lac d’Annecy● Sidesword · Quarterfinals Score 9-2 Review →
LOSS
Theophile Przybylak● · Lyon AMHE● Sidesword · Semifinals
Swiss Bears Cup 2021●
October 2021 · ch
5 fights ▾
Rating outcome
  • Mixed & Men's Steel Longsword Rank 1434 · 973.2
LOSS
Raphael Heim● · Freifechter Basel● Longsword · Pool Set 1
LOSS
Moreno Dei Ricci● · Sala d'Armi Guardia di Croce● Longsword · Pool Set 1
1922
WIN
Luisa Conrady● · INDES Salzburg● Longsword · Pool Set 1
1012
LOSS
Burak Urgancioglu● · L’Épée Blanche● Longsword · Pool Set 1
1564
DRAW
Andre Stirnemann● · Die Baskerhunde● Longsword · Pool Set 1
856
How to read this profile

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